ASP.NET MVC styling samples
- With all of the attention on ASP.NET MVC recently and the number of samples apps that everyone is building using the out-of-the-box css layout, it would be great to see some designer-wizard-ry applied to these. Perhaps an area of the xweb board to link to sample css layout alternatives along with camtasia 'how-to' videos? Showing how to use xWeb 3 in conjunction with ASP.NET MVC projects could be a nice introduction for some asp.net web-dev types to the world of design and css capabilities.
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- For a fleeting moment, I thought Veign grasped my point. But he went leaping off the cliff and landed in a pile of weeds - which makes me, well, laugh.
I am simply saying that this is an opportunity to reach out to the ASP.NET folks who, upon seeing the styling of apps like 'nerddinner' and Palermo's MVC in Action app, might be moved to use better tools to design their pages. When people are changing their toolkits, therein lies an opportunity to reach them when they are most open to change. I use xweb3 to work on page layout and firebug to get it right. Things like snapshot and superpreview narrow the gap between those two tools.
I agree - if you approach this as teaching asp.net mvc, then it's a horrible fit. If you view it as 'hey, MVC guys, look what I can do', then you might have something.- Marqué comme réponseSteve.Hebert mardi 3 novembre 2009 21:09
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- Right. Sounds like a good idea. So, when do you plan to start?
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scott
Plural's don't have apostrophe's. It seem's sometime's that any word's ending in "s" get a gratuitous apostrophe. Apostrophe's are used to indicate possessive's and elision's (contraction's or abbreviation's). - One of the key benefits of MVC over web forms is that the developer has full control over the markup. Given that, if a developer doesn't already have a firm grasp of CSS and XHTML, MVC is probably a bad choice of frameworks.
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http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/10560 - MVC is a concept that is well beyond this forum. That is a subject meant for an ASP.NET forum. Most users here are beginners in ASP.NET and not ready for concepts like MVC - I don't know ASP.NET but assume its the Model-View-Controller concept.
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The thing I see a lot in classic ASP.NET is table driven layout. As this group of web developers moves to mvc and the level of control it provides, demonstrating both css-driven design and how xweb makes this design experience better is a win for everyone.
- ModifiéSteve.Hebert mardi 3 novembre 2009 21:11
- ModifiéSteve.Hebert mardi 3 novembre 2009 20:59
- Huh? This forum is for Expression Web, a design tool. If you're getting into MVC framework design for ASP.NET then you should be looking at a development application.
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Get a Complete Website Analysis by Veign - Since this forum is for EW, I don't think MVC is a good fit. People using it would be using a different development tool for their asp.net work. And if they are using Visual Studio, they can certainly apply CSS styling there. I think any discussion that would necessarily begin with, "First, let me explain MVC..." would be best held in the MVC section of the asp.net forum.
- For a fleeting moment, I thought Veign grasped my point. But he went leaping off the cliff and landed in a pile of weeds - which makes me, well, laugh.
I am simply saying that this is an opportunity to reach out to the ASP.NET folks who, upon seeing the styling of apps like 'nerddinner' and Palermo's MVC in Action app, might be moved to use better tools to design their pages. When people are changing their toolkits, therein lies an opportunity to reach them when they are most open to change. I use xweb3 to work on page layout and firebug to get it right. Things like snapshot and superpreview narrow the gap between those two tools.
I agree - if you approach this as teaching asp.net mvc, then it's a horrible fit. If you view it as 'hey, MVC guys, look what I can do', then you might have something.- Marqué comme réponseSteve.Hebert mardi 3 novembre 2009 21:09
- Steve,
Unless you are willing to lead the charge here on stying ASP.NET MVC then I don't expect others to jump in and do it. I never use tables for layout, not even when I work in dotnet but that's less than 10% of the web development I do and I've yet to investigate MVC. Chris does even less ASP.NET than I do.
The comments you made on the currently taught rendering makes me think that someone hasn't been teaching the separation of content (data, structure, classing in the developer not designer sense) from presentation. Frankly, that is something that needs to be taught to the developers not the designers. This is a designer/front-end developer (javascript, animation, ajax) not a developer forum.
MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com and online instructor led Expression Classes - I think Scott nailed it..."Sounds like a good idea. So when do you plan to start?"
Really--we're all just working stiffs who use EW. Nobody's paying us to do Camtasia videos about CSS layouts. Nobody's paying us to do anything in here, and now you want someone to spend more time? Do you have any idea of the time commitment that would be?
But, by all means--have at it. Nobody's gonna stop you.
