Expression Web 3 Service Pack 1 Now Available!
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Friday, November 20, 2009 7:19 PMModeratorKB Article Link
Direct Download Link (English)
This will also be rolled out automatically via Microsoft Update next week.
Update: Other languages:
German: http://download.microsoft.com/download/7/F/8/7F85E5EB-800E-4284-AC4C-7A49FAC1315E/WebSP1_de.exe
French: http://download.microsoft.com/download/B/1/6/B16EDAD7-983F-415E-871D-E3A33C056411/WebSP1_fr.exe
Italy: http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/0/8/608C8631-7DC8-4B10-848F-35B19F516F5C/WebSP1_it.exe
Spanish: http://download.microsoft.com/download/B/0/5/B05606F9-7888-4D51-A9E1-51D8020BA1EC/WebSP1_es.exe
Traditional Chinese http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/E/2/4E2EFB9E-2FB4-47CA-B2ED-7B7BDCC59E96/WebSP1_zh-Hant.exe
Simplified Chinese: "http://download.microsoft.com/download/2/F/B/2FB54FE1-A207-4AD2-82DB-D9FE8265F35F/WebSP1_zh-Hans.exe"
Japanese: http://download.microsoft.com/download/3/E/F/3EFF5FF4-0E07-4F2F-84DB-384EEDC8AEEA/WebSP1_ja.exe
Korean: "http://download.microsoft.com/download/C/4/2/C427C5B6-2CF5-402D-AC20-A5D16E8CC618/WebSP1_ko.exe"
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web- Edited by Paul Bartholomew,Moderator Friday, November 20, 2009 7:39 PM
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Friday, November 20, 2009 7:28 PMDownloaded and installed without any problem. Good job...
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Friday, November 20, 2009 7:39 PMInstalled here too w/o issue. Root relative links - whoo hoo
MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com and online instructor led Expression Classes -
Friday, November 20, 2009 7:55 PMInstalled with no problem. Immediately changed the colors to my win 7 default. So much nicer on my eyes. Thank you.
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Friday, November 20, 2009 8:56 PMMan, root-relative link support makes my life so much simpler. The days of hardcoding absolute links into WordPress themes are over! Thanks to the development team for listening to us, the end users once again.
Morten Rand-Hendriksen - Microsoft MVP (Expression) and WordPress Adept Design is Philosophy | Teach Yourself Expression Web in 24 Hours -
Friday, November 20, 2009 10:56 PMHappy holiday gift to us!
Windows colors - menus are now much crisper, dark on light, and I no longer need to dress as a Goth when using EW3 ;) -
Saturday, November 21, 2009 3:47 AMPaul,
Thank you for all your help in sorting out the various items that are addressed in the SP! Thanks also to the team for putting it all together!
I was waiting for the service pack before upgrading to EW3: Now I can do so!
Good stuff!
-Preston
Columbia, CA. USA The Gilded Moon-Sierra Nevada Photography -
Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:09 AMVery good, I have been holding off getting too commited to 3 untill now. Now it looks good and should work good.
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Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:42 AMAWESOME! The promised addition of root relative links means the trial's reinstalled on my machine now... I've got a trip coming up in a few days, and am planning a PC reformat when I get back. That'll be the perfect opportunity for a clean install, and you'll have a new Expression Web customer.Thanks so much for listening to the requests to add this vital feature - you guys rock! :)
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Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:16 AMThanks to the OP who posted the link, and to all who worked on the updates.
Roger Spencelayh, Computing Services, Malmesbury, UK -
Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:22 AMAnd what about vba ?
We hoped he would reappear with SP1.
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Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:06 PM
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Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:16 PMModerator
And what about vba ? We hoped he would reappear with SP1.
VBA is gone for good, since we no longer have access to that utility. Extensibility has been restored, meaning that third-party add-ins can once again be written for Expression Web, and we're working with third-party vendors and developers on that. We're also working on a more comprehensive extensibility/scripting solution for our next release.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web -
Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:53 PMThanks to the Expression team for this update.
Really impressive!
RJ McNicol -
Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:35 PMThanks for your hard work.
I've now ordered the upgrade from EW2.
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Saturday, November 21, 2009 6:46 PMAdd me to those who installed the service pack without issue. Thanks, for everything, Paul, and pass our appreciation along to the rest of the team, as well. Well done!
cheers,
scott
Plural's don't have apostrophe's. It seem's sometime's that any word's ending in "s" get a gratuitous apostrophe. Apostrophe's are used to indicate possessive's and elision's (contraction's or abbreviation's). -
Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:07 PM
VBA is gone for good, since we no longer have access to that utility.
Then, my choice is now
Either i do manually the operations which were automated in macros,
or I keep the version 2 with the help file of version 1.
What a progress!
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Saturday, November 21, 2009 10:15 PMYou certainly can keep EW2 and use it for features and add-ins not supported by EW3. You can also run both, if you prefer some of the features in EW3 (such as the improved publishing).
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 7:44 AMOf course.
You forgot help vba that disappeared in version 2.
This is probably what is called the easy IT.
MS changes its mind and decides what is good for you.
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 1:42 PM"You forgot help vba that disappeared in version 2."
I can't forget what I never knew. I don't use Vba - never did.
But in any event, you can run all three if you like.
"MS changes its mind and decides what is good for you.
The customer must adapt."
Well, that's not an MS thing. That's every company, and applies to every technology. My first high school job was programming in COBOL and needing to actually read HEX dumps. ...I don't miss it. ;) -
Sunday, November 22, 2009 1:55 PM
Paul wrote: "VBA is gone for good, since we no longer have access to that utility."
Does that mean Visual Studio Tools for Applications (VSTA) is coming to EW instead?
Will
Baltimore, MD USA - www.fastie.com -
Sunday, November 22, 2009 1:58 PMI second the kudos for the clean install of SP1 with one tiny nit - the workspace was reset to the default.
Many thanks for root relative links.
Will
Baltimore, MD USA - www.fastie.com -
Sunday, November 22, 2009 2:38 PMModerator
Does that mean Visual Studio Tools for Applications (VSTA) is coming to EW instead?
Not as far as I know. All I can say on this is that we're aware of the concerns and we're working on it.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web -
Sunday, November 22, 2009 7:59 PMwill this also update the 30 day trial version of expression? I have someone who i just had download and try it - moving away from frontpage - should he download this and install it? thanks
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Sunday, November 22, 2009 11:31 PMYes it will update the trial version.
The trial is fully functional, it is just time limited.
Expression Web MVP -
Monday, November 23, 2009 12:34 AMI have successfully update Vista 32 and Vista 64 bit systems without difficulty and appreciate the fixes I have encountered so far. The improved ftp is excellent and the file status fix has made my life easier. Thank you.
There remains an issue with wrapping a number of paragraphs with a div tag in that EW puts the opening div tag after the opening paragraph tag of the first wrapped paragraph, and it puts the closing div tag after the closing paragraph tag of the last paragraph which of course instantly creates a code fault which ironically EW immediately identifies. Have reported this previously on Connect but it appears not to have been addressed yet. -
Monday, November 23, 2009 12:50 AM"There remains an issue with wrapping a number of paragraphs with a div tag in that EW puts the opening div tag after the opening paragraph tag of the first wrapped paragraph, and it puts the closing div tag after the closing paragraph tag of the last paragraph which of course instantly creates a code fault "
I just tried that. Can't reproduce your error. When I select three paragraphs, for example, and choose div, right-click, wrap from the toolbox, the div correctly wraps all three paragraphs. Are you doing something different?
Adding: Work in Split View and watch code view: Are you actually selecting the full paragraphs, or just the text after the first <p> to before the last </p> (which would explain why the div would wrap as you describe)? -
Monday, November 23, 2009 1:53 AMHas the period changed from 60 to 30? if so when?
Tina
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Monday, November 23, 2009 5:43 AMNah, it's still 60 days, says so on the download page.
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Monday, November 23, 2009 6:49 AM
"There remains an issue with wrapping a number of paragraphs with a div tag in that EW puts the opening div tag after the opening paragraph tag of the first wrapped paragraph, and it puts the closing div tag after the closing paragraph tag of the last paragraph which of course instantly creates a code fault "
I just tried that. Can't reproduce your error. When I select three paragraphs, for example, and choose div, right-click, wrap from the toolbox, the div correctly wraps all three paragraphs. Are you doing something different?
Adding: Work in Split View and watch code view: Are you actually selecting the full paragraphs, or just the text after the first <p> to before the last </p> (which would explain why the div would wrap as you describe)?
Yes, have attempted it in split view several times. Working in Design View and watching the result in Code View I am not able to make the selection begin at the correct point in the code, whether I work from the beginning to the end of the desired text or vice versa. The selection block simply skips from one spot to the next, completely bypassing the correct place in the code. The resulting selection begins either after the desired paragraph opening tag or before the previous paragraph closing tag, both of which are incorrect and of course immediately identied by EW as code errors.
This has been a problem for me since EW1 and now persists with EW3.1 and is manifest on two different computers, one Vista 64 the other Vista 32. Of course the workaround is simply to move the resulting opening div tag in Code View manually each time but it is an ongoing irritation as it is a procedure I use daily in my normal content update workflow. For those people not comfortable with Code View who rely on Design view it must be a real frustration. -
Monday, November 23, 2009 8:18 AMNow only if I could purchase EW3 online!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Monday, November 23, 2009 3:07 PMMaybe you could win a copy instead? See: http://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/expression-web-giveaway.html
MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com and online instructor led Expression Classes -
Monday, November 23, 2009 3:40 PMthats what i thought but
"will this also update the 30 day trial version of expression? I have someone who i just had download and try it - moving away from frontpage - should he download this and install it? thank"
said Ian_L
and I thought 'huh!'
so wanted to make sure since i've been telling everyone tis 60 days lol
Tina
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Monday, November 23, 2009 3:46 PMI have EW 1 2 and 3 installed as the search engine I like FrontLook Site Search Engine only works with 1. And the CSS Sculptor addon only works with 1and 2.
Pat
Pat Geary Microsoft MVP Expression Web http://www.expression-web-tutorials.com/ http://www.expression-web-tips.com/ -
Monday, November 23, 2009 6:05 PMI have discovered another pre-existing problem with EW that the service pack was supposed to fix but doesn't. Referenced in Connect ID 489742. Like the div wrapping issue this one also occurs several times a day (and is manifest on both of my computers) and definitely slows down my workflow. This is turning out to be a rather disappointing patch.
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Monday, November 23, 2009 6:26 PMRichardFH,
Change how you are doing the selection. It sounds like you are dragging the mouse, like selecting a section of text?
Click in the first paragraph and click the P tag in Design View or up in the breadcrumb trail - the entire <p> will be selected. Shift-click into the last <p>. That one and all the <p>'s between will be added to the selection. You will now have entire <p>'s, including the first <p> and the last </p>. Now wrap your div. -
Monday, November 23, 2009 7:15 PMThat works for correct selection of the html as confirmed by monitoring in Split View, but EW will not permit a rightclick-wrap with div tags which is the whole purpose of the exercise.
UPDATE
Kathy, I misunderstood your original suggested selection method. When I click on the <p> tag to select the top para, then shift-click on the bottom para's <p> tag the correct code is selected but I can't select the wrap option in the toolbox. If I do as you actually suggested then I can select wrap but EW still puts the opening <div> after the first para's opening <p> tag which is incorrect.- Edited by RichardFH Thursday, November 26, 2009 6:32 PM
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Monday, November 23, 2009 7:18 PMModerator
I have discovered another pre-existing problem with EW that the service pack was supposed to fix but doesn't. Referenced in Connect ID 489742.
Richard, the developer who did that work honestly thought he had fixed it. He was able to repro that problem and his fix solved the particular repro steps he was using. Based on your feedback, I've reactivated the bug and have asked him to take another look. If he has trouble getting a consistent repro, I've asked him to contact you via Connect.
I apologize for the error.
Paul Bartholomew
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Monday, November 23, 2009 7:20 PMModerator
There remains an issue with wrapping a number of paragraphs with a div tag in that EW puts the opening div tag after the opening paragraph tag of the first wrapped paragraph, and it puts the closing div tag after the closing paragraph tag of the last paragraph which of course instantly creates a code fault which ironically EW immediately identifies. Have reported this previously on Connect but it appears not to have been addressed yet.
You are correct that this not yet been addressed. We had to make some tough calls in order to get the service pack out on time and this was one of the bugs that got moved to the next release.
Paul Bartholomew
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Monday, November 23, 2009 7:23 PM"That works for correct selection of the html as confirmed by monitoring in Split View, but EW will not permit a rightclick-wrap with div tags which is the whole purpose of the exercise."
Richard, when I select <p>'s that way, it certainly does let me right-click the div listing in the Toolbox and wrap them. -
Monday, November 23, 2009 8:03 PMHmm, I just tried it on a page with tables, headings and a few other things. Highlighting in design view I was still able to right click on div in the toolbox and select wrap. The div was placed correctly.
Paul, I did notice that if the entire table element wasn't selected attempting to wrap with the <div> right click "wrap" caused EW 3 to crash.
The file I was using was the table.html file in the root of the zip file you downloaded the other day.
MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com and online instructor led Expression Classes -
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:39 AM
I have discovered another pre-existing problem with EW that the service pack was supposed to fix but doesn't. Referenced in Connect ID 489742.
Richard, the developer who did that work honestly thought he had fixed it. He was able to repro that problem and his fix solved the particular repro steps he was using. Based on your feedback, I've reactivated the bug and have asked him to take another look. If he has trouble getting a consistent repro, I've asked him to contact you via Connect.
I apologize for the error.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web
That's OK Paul. The developer has been in touch and I suspect he misunderstood the problem from the get go. The solution as described in the release notes and his email to me is for a slightly different procedure. As long as we can work together to fix it eventually, I can be patient a while longer. -
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:33 AM
Extensibility has been restored, meaning that third-party add-ins can once again be written for Expression Web, and we're working with third-party vendors and developers on that. We're also working on a more comprehensive extensibility/scripting solution for our next release.
Paul, are there any guidelines or someone in Expression Web team who third-party vendors and developers could contact regarding the extensibility? We have developed add-ins successfully running in EW1 and EW2 and would like to make them available for EW3 as well. -
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:50 PMModerator
Paul, are there any guidelines or someone in Expression Web team who third-party vendors and developers could contact regarding the extensibility? We have developed add-ins successfully running in EW1 and EW2 and would like to make them available for EW3 as well.
That would be great, Alex. You can contact me at my microsoft.com e-mail address of paulbart and I'll put you in touch with the right people.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web -
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 3:48 PMI think I am the only guy on these forums who liked the back UI! I actually changed to the Win7 system colour and thought it looked very washed out and weak looking, so I went back to the black. Just thought I'd share that.
:-) Andy -
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 4:00 PM
I agree about it looking washed out in Win 7, at least on the theme I've chosen. Must experiment a bit more!
How well the black UI looks depends a lot on the quality/age of the user's monitor(s). LCD screens with low contrast ratios (typically 500:1 or less) can't display the UI very well and it all merges into a black block. On a modern monitor with a high contrast ratio it looks very good and is easy to use.
Ian
MS MVP Expressionhttp://www.ew-resource.co.uk
http://www.fp-resource.co.uk
Ian Haynes -
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 4:09 PMModerator
Paul, I did notice that if the entire table element wasn't selected attempting to wrap with the <div> right click "wrap" caused EW 3 to crash.
Thanks, Cheryl. I was able to repro the issue and I've filed a bug. That crash has been around for a while, since I can also repro it in Expression Web 2. This is a classic "don't do that" bug (from an old joke -- "Doctor, it hurts when I do this; what do you recommend?" "Don't do that.") so we'll have to triage it appropriately.
We're doing some major surgery on the design surface code for the next release; hopefully, we'll get this one fixed for free.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web -
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:40 PM"I think I am the only guy on these forums who liked the back UI!"
You are one of the very few.
I have two machines and decent monitors, one very new indeed, and both are "yuck!" for the black interface, but much easier to read and use with my Windows colors. (Different on each machine, but still better than the default UI on both.)
But your mileage may vary, based on your monitors, your choice of Windows colors, your eyesight, your room lighting, and, simply, your preferences. -
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:05 PMYeah i have a pretty good monitor so the black looks crisp and sharp.
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Tuesday, November 24, 2009 9:47 PMBecause of the black interface I broke down and did something I've been reluctant to do for a long time which is to properly calibrate my desktop monitor.
The reason I had been reluctant to calibrate it is that very few people do so and makes it highly unlikely that site visitors would have a calibrated monitor. I prefer to have something closer to what visitors will have so none of my computers had the same display. Calibrating monitors wouldn't give that variety of displays.
However, I've been doing a lot more photography so I'd have needed to calibrate at least my primary monitor anyway.
So after looking at the Windows colors I've chosen to stay with the black interface.
MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com and online instructor led Expression Classes -
Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:16 PMYou can add me to the list of people who has no problem with the black theme. I haven't bothered looking at using the default windows colors theme to compare it, but I have no complaints with the black theme.
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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:32 AMPublishing is really slow now after upgrading to SP1,
takes a long time to List pages as well as to transfer new/updated files (using Frontpage Server Pages mode)
a bit faster with FTP, however when switching from Frontpage to FTP publishing mode all pages show as changed, even after they have just been updated -
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:55 PM
Publishing is really slow now after upgrading to SP1,
takes a long time to List pages as well as to transfer new/updated files (using Frontpage Server Pages mode)
a bit faster with FTP, however when switching from Frontpage to FTP publishing mode all pages show as changed, even after they have just been updated
I'm having the same problem when publishing via FTP. Selecting the Changed Pages options just shows all the files, whether they have been changed or not. -
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:02 PMYes, but what is the future of that? How do we develop add-ins at all, when there is not even clear if/how EW is going to support that in coming versions, even in the actual one.
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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:05 PM
That would be great, Alex. You can contact me at my microsoft.com e-mail address of paulbart and I'll put you in touch with the right people.
Please put that explanation on how to create an addin for EW3-sp1 somewhere on a website. This is surely interesting for a lot of people.
Paul Bartholomew
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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:35 PMI have updated EW3 and am happily in a brighter world. The root links are excellent. The only thing still on my wish list - the custom toolbar. I do a number of repetitive tasks and I still use EW 2 to do them. I'm hoping this is in the next update.
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Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:01 PM
Publishing is really slow now after upgrading to SP1
I'm finding that SP1 is slower in many ways and seems to consume a lot of system resources. My PC seems to bog down whenever I have EW3 running. I even get mouse stuttering, something I haven't seen in ages.
As for publishing, I've noticed that if I select "Changed Files" from the dropdown, EW compares local and remote to provide the list. If I then click the right arrow, EW does that comparison again. Once it has decided that it knows what needs to be published, the new FTP system burns rubber. Then, at the very end, there is another delay while EW adjusts the view.
I've experienced an annoying delay when saving files.
Will
Baltimore, MD USA - www.fastie.com -
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:06 PM"vba and addins are there"
Well, no, not VBA. And with SP1 add-ins can be *made*. Doesn't mean any have been released for EW3 yet, although I assume some of the authors of earlier add-ins are working on it. -
Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:50 PMI installed SP1 without any trouble. For two of my Websites all works fine. For one site the site itself opens well, too, however when I open a html page next, EW3-SP1 crashes (grey screen). This is reproducible. The same pages open fine in EW2 and worked well in EW3 without SP1. Event report is as follows (sorry, this is the German version but you should get the idea):
Name der fehlerhaften Anwendung: ExpressionWeb.exe, Version: 3.0.3813.0, Zeitstempel: 0x4afaebc1
Name des fehlerhaften Moduls: mfc90u.dll, Version: 9.0.30729.1, Zeitstempel: 0x488f1605
Ausnahmecode: 0xc0000005
Fehleroffset: 0x00213209
ID des fehlerhaften Prozesses: 0x%9
Startzeit der fehlerhaften Anwendung: 0x%10
Pfad der fehlerhaften Anwendung: %11
Pfad des fehlerhaften Moduls: %12
Berichtskennung: %13
This is under Win 7/RC/German.
Usually, I am inclined to look for the issue on my side, and maybe it is... but where?
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Thursday, November 26, 2009 8:44 AMHi Everyone,
I installed SP1 a few days ago, no major problems so far
But I have just two small queries (not major but still items I would use a lot)
1) EW is a bit slower in some cases since SP1 -
When browsing through 'code view' it freezes on and off (pages are not large in any case)
also if I'm in the 'Site View' tab when I right click on any file whether it be webpage/.css/image it takes a good 10+seconds for the properties menu to appear - which never happend before
2) CSS Elements
Before the SP1 when I clicked on an css item in design view or code view -
EW3 used to highlight the css element in the 'manage styles' tab on the right, so you could see exactly which element you were selecting
Now this is not the case - does not highlight any element
Maybe these could be down to simple settings - but if anyone could shine some light on it - i'd appreciate it
Cheers
Paul -
Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:54 PMModerator
I remember very well that it was told: "with EW3 SP1 - vba and addins are there, like in EW2"!
With all due respect, nobody at Microsoft has ever said that, particularly with respect to VBA. As for add-ins, the message has been consistent, as well: we have restored extensibility, just as promised, but Expression Web 2 add-ins will have to be recompiled to work with Expression Web 3.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web -
Thursday, November 26, 2009 6:39 PMI have no difficulty with or particular objection to the black and grey colour scheme. Everything is perfectly crisp and legible on both my notebook and desktop and I'm a senior citizen :-). I suspect Cheryl is correct in that an improperly calibrated monitor probably contributes to the problem for some folks.
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Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:18 PMI could not make the black interface look comfortable no matter what. Yes, both my monitors are calilbrated. But small white text on black is just less visually crisp than black/dark on white/light, for me.
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Friday, November 27, 2009 12:04 AMWhere Code Folding in HTML!!! I back to my Visual Studio :(
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Friday, November 27, 2009 12:28 AM"Where Code Folding in HTML!!! I back to my Visual Studio :("
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Friday, November 27, 2009 3:47 AMI expect they are talking about the ability to collapse a section say a div so that it appears as:
<div ic="whatever">...
With a little plus to the left that you can click on to expand the section when you want to view it but keeps your code window small, hiding what you aren't working on at the moment.
MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com and online instructor led Expression Classes -
Friday, November 27, 2009 5:46 AMPaul,
May I request that the announcement of SP-1 and its download links be placed in the "Annoucements" section at the top of the page? Since this thread is now 'un-stickied' (unstuck?) I'm afraid it will get lost in the shuffle, and those who need the links may not be able to find this thread easily.
Thanks, as always,
-Preston
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Friday, November 27, 2009 5:48 AMAh. Well putting in all the words would have been helpful!
To the OP: At any rate, no one said EW was a replacment for everything Visual Studio can do. Or vice versa. Use the tool that makes sense to you. Or both. -
Friday, November 27, 2009 3:21 PMPreston: I included a link to this thread in the BEFORE POSTING sticky at the top of the forum as well as some info about the SP.
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Friday, November 27, 2009 3:25 PMEli: They haven't yet included this in the Minimum Requirements for EW3, but for SP1, Win XP SP3 is listed as a requirement. You're only running SP2.
So while SP3 isn't required in the EW3 description, it is for the SP, and it does fix some problems for some people.- Edited by Bill Pearson Friday, November 27, 2009 9:56 PM
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Friday, November 27, 2009 3:58 PMThanks, Bill. That should turn the trick.
-Preston
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Friday, November 27, 2009 4:18 PM
Ah. Well putting in all the words would have been helpful!
Yeah, it usually is helpful. ;-)
To the OP: At any rate, no one said EW was a replacment for everything Visual Studio can do. Or vice versa. Use the tool that makes sense to you. Or both.
BTW, where is the "suggestions for next version" page? I have to say, when working with a large or complex document, code folding (code hiding, code collapse, whatever) is a very handy feature to help clear some of the trees to view the forest. Not something I'm going to lose sleep over, or need immediately, but it would be nice to have in the next iteration, and shouldn't be difficult to implement.
cheers,
scott
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Friday, November 27, 2009 10:14 PMModerator
May I request that the announcement of SP-1 and its download links be placed in the "Annoucements" section at the top of the page? Since this thread is now 'un-stickied' (unstuck?) I'm afraid it will get lost in the shuffle, and those who need the links may not be able to find this thread easily.
I set the "stickiness" attribute to only last a week, since space is at something of a premium. Good suggestion to add it to the Announcements section and I've done that now.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web -
Friday, November 27, 2009 11:20 PM"Good suggestion to add it to the Announcements section and I've done that now."
Thanks, Paul. Much appreciated!
-Preston
Columbia, CA. USA The Gilded Moon-Sierra Nevada Photography -
Monday, November 30, 2009 8:28 AMHi,
no one got an idea to help me?
Here's an update: This is one of the pages making EW3+SP1 crash while opening it:
freundeskreis-mks-jena * de
It validates as XHTML 1.0 transitional. It worked in EW3 withour SP1 before and it still works fine in EW2.
I completely re-build my system exchaning Win7 RC/Ultimate by Win7/Home licensed this weekend. Re-installed EW3+SP1. Loaded all win and office service packs and updates. The page (and some, but not all others form this site) still makes EW crash.
No problems so far with two other sites I manage.
Any suggestion what do do?
Many thanks and kind regards
Michael -
Monday, November 30, 2009 3:41 PMMichael,
I imported that page and related files, and can confirm trying to open it crashes EW3. If you make a copy of the page markup only (nothing referenced by it, including CSS), EW3 doesn't crash.
In short, it's specific to something about that page, and not your installation of EW3.
Opening that imported site in EW2 does not show the same problem: no crash.
This is very repeatable.
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Monday, November 30, 2009 4:05 PMI canyon it from the web w/o crashing. While the html coding might validate there are empty style attributes and the mark-up is either semantically incorrect (dd) lists or missing (div's w/o p inside just line breaks).
The stylesheet is not valid http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2&warning=2&uri=http%3a%2f%2ffreundeskreis-mks-jena.de%2f it has bad syntax like:
a {
text-decoration:none;
//color:#993333;
color: #DC143C; //crimson
}
//is not valid in css file. If you want to put in a comment it should be /* comment */. Fix all of the invalid mark-up and I expect your crashing will stop.
MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com and online instructor led Expression Classes -
Monday, November 30, 2009 4:14 PMCheryl, you are correct that the CSS file is the source of the crash. Just trying to open that file in EW3, not the page calling it, crashes it.
Opening it in EW2 and eliminating the "//"s fixes the problem: both the CSS file and the calling page will now open in EW3 without causing a crash.
...Now, it's still the case that EW2 doesn't crash, and this is a bug if EW3 can't handle a syntax error in a CSS file more gracefully than this. -
Monday, November 30, 2009 5:56 PMModeratorThanks for tracking down the specific problem, Cheryl and Kathy. I'm able to repro the crash on my local build, so I've opened a bug on this and attached the problematic file and will have a member of my team take a look at it. I was not able to repro this on Expression Web 2, so this appears to be a regression.
Update: We've investigated and this was a regression caused by the work we did to support root-relative links. The developer who did that work already has a fix out for code review and it will definitely be fixed in the next release. I apologize for the error.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web- Edited by Paul Bartholomew,Moderator Monday, November 30, 2009 10:35 PM
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Monday, November 30, 2009 6:04 PMThanks, Paul.
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Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:20 AM
WE3 keeps crashing on start-up.
I have installed EW3 SP1 the day after it was was made available.I have a Dell laptop (Inspiron 6000) 1.6 Ghz processor with 2Gb RAM, Windows XP SP3, .NET 3.5, IE8, Office 2003 with the free 2007 file conversion tools. I also have VS2008 with up-to-date security patches (SP1 - this was a HUGE update file!)
My Free AVG Anti-Virus is up to date and runs a full scan once a week. No viruses have been found.
Windows Defender is up to date - no malware found.
I have the entire Expression Studio suite - it works fine. No other software hangs, at least not on a routine basis. Except EW3 which keeps crashing on start-up.
I have used FontExpress to review all my fonts on C:\windows\fonts - all of them are OK, zero faulty fonts.
Using the Event Viewer (Control Panel, Admin Tools), the Error Log reads:
Faulting application expressionweb.exe, version 3.0.3813.0, stamp 4afaebc1, faulting module mso.dll, version 3.0.3812.0, stamp 4afa1ea3, debug? 0, fault address 0x000404fe.
There is no additional info on MS error interpretation site http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
Per another MS blog recommendations I moved the file C:\Windows\System32\WBEM\WBEMCOMN.DLL to the C:\Windows\System32 folder, which did not have it. The file is dated 08/04/04. I restarted the WMI service. The system removed the file form C:\Windows\System32 and recreated a copy on C:\Windows\System32\WBEM. Ergo - this excerice was futile.
1. What can I do to get EW3 running ?!?
alternatively,
2. How do I open a formal bug ticket with MS? -
Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:10 PMTo file a bug http://connect.microsoft.com to get support if it is an install issue follow the instructions in the Installtion sticky at the top of this forum.
MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com and online instructor led Expression Classes -
Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:12 PMDang forum wouldn't let me edit my post above, the post would appear briefly then go away so I couldn't edit.
So, what I wanted to add was that you would be better off starting your own thread and putting more information such as a link to your crash dump file in it instead of trying to piggy back on another person's post where the issue was found and resolves that appears to be totally unrelated to what you are experiencing.
MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com and online instructor led Expression Classes -
Saturday, December 05, 2009 9:24 AM
Thanks for tracking down the specific problem, Cheryl and Kathy. I'm able to repro the crash on my local build, so I've opened a bug on this and attached the problematic file and will have a member of my team take a look at it. I was not able to repro this on Expression Web 2, so this appears to be a regression.
Update: We've investigated and this was a regression caused by the work we did to support root-relative links. The developer who did that work already has a fix out for code review and it will definitely be fixed in the next release. I apologize for the error.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web
Dear Kathy + Paul
Thank you for taking my issue seriesly. I took the css from another site (with permission) and you are right, it had issues. I corrected the incorrect comments, and there was another issue with an incorrect vertical-align.
The css of freundeskreis-mks-jena * de now DOES validate (according to http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/). However, it still crashes EW3+SP1 (but not EW2).
Maybe you want to take another look.
Kind reagrds and thanks, Michael -
Sunday, December 06, 2009 4:02 AMModeratorMichael,
Unfortunately, you're probably hitting the same bug you were before, and it's almost certainly our fault, not yours. I'll have to wait until I get back to the office to see if I can pinpoint which line is causing us to crash but another file that I had previously investigated crashed on a list-style-image: url('xxx'); line. If you have any of those in your CSS, try commenting them out to see if that solves your problem.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web -
Sunday, December 06, 2009 4:15 AM
I can confirm that the CSS file does indeed contain several instances of list-style-image: url('xxx');, and that commenting them out lets EW3 work without crashes.
Michael, you keep hitting the bugs! :) Sadly, you'll have to comment those lines out while working with your site in EW3. (You can put them back using another file editor before publishing.) -
Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:38 AM
I can confirm that the CSS file does indeed contain several instances of list-style-image: url('xxx');, and that commenting them out lets EW3 work without crashes.
Michael, you keep hitting the bugs! :) Sadly, you'll have to comment those lines out while working with your site in EW3. (You can put them back using another file editor before publishing.)
Thank you again for sorting this and being so responsive, Paul + Kathy! For now, I'll edit this site with EW2 and wait for a fix.
Kind regards, Michael -
Sunday, December 06, 2009 4:41 PMMichael,
I don't use list-style-images with lists. Instead I use a background image, no repeat and set padding on the list element to control how much white space there is between the image and the list item. I quit using list-item-images years ago in favor of the greater control over placment available using background-image and padding.
Just a thought about another approach.
MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com and online instructor led Expression Classes -
Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:20 PMSince installing the Service Pack Expression 3 has slowed to a crawl when posting. Additionally an overwrite confirmation box now appears to confirm I want to overwrite the remote file. Very annoying.
I work on files on a networked drive and publish to an IP addressable server running IIS. Previous to this patch this was fast as all get out and very simple. Now, I may as well go get a cup of coffee and wait.
Whereas previously I did not have to view the publishing status pane at the bottom it appears now I must. I don't need to. Really I don't... I have ensured that the publishing panel is deselected when I go to publish.
My main concern is speed. This is seriously slow. For a connection type it is using Front Page Server Extentions. Prior to SP1, this connection was screaming fast. -
Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:32 PMPaul. HELP!!!!
Publishing (with FPSE) is SLOOOOOWWWWW with SP1. Way too slow. I typically need to make minor modifications to a page, test how they work, then publish the change to the live site, test again, etc. This used to take at most a second or two. Now it takes a minute or longer each time I do this -- and then EW tells me there's a conflict right after it's done publishing the change I made so I have to "overwrite" this non-existent change. (Note that before I start the publishing action it shows "changed" and not "conflict." THe supposed "conflict" only appears after I click to publish the changed page.)
Plus what's the deal with that publishing status box popping up? Can I get rid of that? I don't need that when I'm just trying to publish one page.
This is unacceptable. I'm going to have to uninstall this service pack as I just cannot work with that slow down. What I could get done in a few minutes before took me almost an hour today. I'm not going to get paid for that.
FTP apparently isn't that slow, but if I use FTP then the info about who last published and any change/conflict, etc. info has typically been lost. If that is the case, then that is less than desirable.
--Doug -
Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:35 PMAnother issue is copying files from one instance of Expression Web to another. I used to be able to do that. Although it looks like it works (I get the + on the cursor as I go to drop the file in the other sie), it doesn't actually work.
That is, if I open two instances of Expression Web and open an unrelated website in each then try to copy an image from one instance to the other (for example, in this case I was copying a menu button background image from one of our websites to another) it no longer works. It's not worth setting up a publishing connection for these one-off tasks so I logged into our server and copy & pasted the images from the one directory to the other. This used to work before the service pack. -
Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:46 PM
I'm able to repro the crash on my local build, so I've opened a bug on this and attached the problematic file and will have a member of my team take a look at it. I was not able to repro this on Expression Web 2, so this appears to be a regression.
I also have a CSS file that was editable before SP1 but now EW3 crashes. The file contains no "//" anywhere, and I have no clue where to look. Could I possibly send you this file for testing?
In the meantime I guess I will use a binary search. (top half, bottom half, halve the failing half again, etc.)
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Friday, January 15, 2010 12:12 AM
I'm able to repro the crash on my local build, so I've opened a bug on this and attached the problematic file and will have a member of my team take a look at it. I was not able to repro this on Expression Web 2, so this appears to be a regression.
I also have a CSS file that was editable before SP1 but now EW3 crashes. The file contains no "//" anywhere, and I have no clue where to look. Could I possibly send you this file for testing?
In the meantime I guess I will use a binary search. (top half, bottom half, halve the failing half again, etc.)
Never mind. I read further and discovered the URL issue. Commenting those out works around the crash.
PITA, however. How long will we have to wait for a fix? I could reinstall EW3 and skip SP1, but I hate giving up the Windows colors. Blessed relief! I guess the other option is using background images instead, as suggested in this thread. I just hate to tinker with code that works flawlessly on all browsers I want to support.
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Friday, January 15, 2010 1:44 AM
Michael,
Unfortunately, the problem is with URL, not the list-style-image attribute.
I don't use list-style-images with lists. Instead I use a background image, no repeat and set padding on the list element to control how much white space there is between the image and the list item. I quit using list-item-images years ago in favor of the greater control over placment available using background-image and padding.
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Friday, January 15, 2010 3:00 AMIf you want to leave SP1 installed, you'll need to wait until v4 for the fix. There won't be any further service packs for xWeb 3.
Jim Cheshire
Jimco Software and Books
jimcosoftware.com
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Author of several books on Expression Web and ASP.NET.
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Visit our new online store at www.shopjimco.com for Spawn 3 and our other add-ins! -
Friday, January 15, 2010 3:57 AMThat doesn't make a whole lot of sense, Jim. How long will it be before version 4? Quite a while I am presuming? They just came out with version 3 not too long ago.
That Microsoft would break something (actually quite a few things) with this service pack then not do anything at all to fix it just doesn't make sense. They don't need a full service pack, but it would seem entirely logical that they could issue a patch. My biggest problem is regarding the slowness in publishing. It's unbearable, despite all the steps I took that Paul Bartholomew suggested. A service pack isn't necessary, but a couple of patches or so and things could be quite a bit better.- Edited by Perreault Friday, January 15, 2010 3:58 AM typo correction
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Friday, January 15, 2010 4:16 AMMS is on a short cycle with Expression Studio
EW 1 - Released Dec 2005
17 months later: EW 2 - Released May 2007
14 months later: EW 3 - Released July 2009
Release cycle for EW appears to be 14-18 months and we are 6 months since EW 3 was last released.
MS MVP Expression Tutorials & Help http://by-expression.com -
Friday, January 15, 2010 4:20 AMThat may have been true while Microsoft was playing catch-up, but Expression Studio has matured a lot in the last couple of versions. And still, even if they do keep that time frame -- 18 months would mean we still have a year to wait. The fact that service pack 1 is so messed up that we have to uninstall it should say something... either they do need a second service pack, or at least a patch. A year without even a patch? Please say that won't happen!
--Doug -
Friday, January 15, 2010 8:57 AMModerator
There won't be any further service packs for xWeb 3.
While that's *probably* true, Jim, it's not *definitely* true. We haven't ruled anything out at this time, just as we also haven't committed to anything at this time.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web -
Friday, January 15, 2010 11:26 AM
A service pack isn't necessary, but a couple of patches or so and things could be quite a bit better.
As Paul just said, they aren't ruling anything out. All of us who aren't part of the xWeb product group can only surmise based on statements made by Paul and by what has happened in the past.
Whether it's service pack or major version releases, Expression Web is updated more than most software, so don't lose hope.
Jim Cheshire
Jimco Software and Books
jimcosoftware.com
shopjimco.com
jimcobooks.com
Author of several books on Expression Web and ASP.NET.
Spawn 3 for Expression Web 3 now available!
Visit our new online store at www.shopjimco.com for Spawn 3 and our other add-ins! -
Friday, January 15, 2010 10:07 PM
Michael,
I don't use list-style-images with lists. Instead I use a background image, no repeat and set padding on the list element to control how much white space there is between the image and the list item. I quit using list-item-images years ago in favor of the greater control over placment available using background-image and padding.
"Unfortunately, the problem is with URL, not the list-style-image attribute. "
Since someone might hit this unrefuted misinformation (in this very long thread!): No. It's not the URL. It's the use of list-style-image, period. Nothing to do with it having a URL or not. Don't use it, and the CSS won't cause a crash. Cheryl's suggestion to use a background image on the list element instead works just fine. -
Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:23 PMI accepted the automatic service Pack 3 and ever since my .ftp upload has slowed with the ' listing subsites ' hanging for ages, it was quick before; drag and drop still works; quickly too.
It's also slow when I click on a local folder to open it.
Any one else experiencing that?
If I re-install the program then what happens about the service pack?
Thanks
Paul
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Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:42 PMModeratorPlease don't ask the same question in multiple threads. I've answered your question in your other thread.
Paul Bartholomew
Microsoft Expression Web
