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New Tutorial: How to create a membership website
New Tutorial: How to create a membership website
- Since the question of how to create a membership website (with logins and passwords and all) keeps coming up, I have created a tutorial talking about the resources needed and the approach to take at:
http://www.homepagedoctor.com/ExpressionTutorials/CreatingMembershipSite.htm
ClarkNK, QVP
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- I am very interested in learning how to make a membership for my site, sorry but I don't see any tutorial for the membership, only a list of books, thx
Life begins @ 190 MPH - Thank you for the comment. I have modified the tutorial to make it more clear that for the actual steps of creating the website, you should follow the example in Scott Mitchells book, and that I have listed other resources you will need also.
ClarkNK, QVP
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MyNumbersTracker.com -- Created with Expression, VWDExress, SQL Express, and ASP.NET. - Well, I have to tell you, Clark, I checked it out expecting a tutorial. There are several names you can apply to that page, resource list, reading list, etc., but IMHO, that does not comprise a tutorial.
When people see the word "tutorial," their general expectation is of a How-To, a procedural, usually given with step-by-step instructions, and frequently with accompanying illustrations. This is amply demonstrated by your other tutorials.
Not only does that listing of resources not comprise a tutorial, but many of the references (actually, everything except the Scott Mitchell book) have nothing whatsoever to do directly with the creation of a membership site, but rather, are resources concerned with the general subject of Web development, and with ASP.NET development.
Hey, it's your page, so you can call it whatever you want. But I can tell you right now that people going to a link described as a tutorial and finding that content instead are going to be disappointed, and possibly angered at being misled. Not exactly the best way to encourage traffic to your commercial site...
cheers,
scott - Clark,
I agree with Scott on the naming of the page. It's not a tutorial. I do find it to be a useful outline of references and pointers to get people going in the right direction. But a name change would be a good idea. - Adding: Really no reason to post here a list like that. This forum is for question/answers. If everyone starts publishing posts advertising their stuff this forum will become useless to people looking for help.
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I have changed things to try to fix that misperception. It's now titled "What you Need to create a memberhsip website", which is what I should have titled it in the first place.
To actually lay out the steps of doing it would be to repeat half of Scott Mitchell's book! Not even my intent. What I was really trying to do is lay out the things you need to accomplish the task, incuding some I ran into myself that you won't find in a book.
Thanks for the comments
ClarkNK, QVP
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MyNumbersTracker.com -- Created with Expression, VWDExress, SQL Express, and ASP.NET. - yes, I that was what I was refernce to early, now that we have that done, does anyone know of a step by step tutorial on a membership site, not just refernce or books, thx
Life begins @ 190 MPH - Life begins @ 190 MPH
Actually, life begins at Mach 1.
Or at 150 knots after a night cat shot.
*Retired Naval Aviation, Maintenance*
;-)
FrontPage MVP - Well, creating a membership site involves a lot of things. Scotts book walks you through them. Don't write it off as a reference book. I don't think you will find a better "tutorial" on how to create such a site.
ClarkNK, QVP
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MyNumbersTracker.com -- Created with Expression, VWDExress, SQL Express, and ASP.NET. Adding: Really no reason to post here a list like that. This forum is for question/answers. If everyone starts publishing posts advertising their stuff this forum will become useless to people looking for help.
Hmmm, I have answered questions here before like "How do I create a login website?" That "tutorial" is intended to answer that question without having to retype it every time.
I suppose I could answer it by just saying "Buy Scotts book and do what it says". But I thought it would be more useful to let people know the other things they will need that I had to dig up, and where I dug them, in addition to Scotts book.
If you think that material is useless for help, then show me somewhere that provides better help to someone asking "How do I create a login website?"
"Advertising my stuff?" What stuff? I'm not selling anything or taking clients although I quickly say I have no problem with contributors to this forum who do get such benefits as for example:
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ClarkNK, QVP
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MyNumbersTracker.com -- Created with Expression, VWDExress, SQL Express, and ASP.NET.- I add stuff in my signature. This is an accepted practice. I have never posted a new thread talking about any of my stuff. What you did was 'start a new thread'. Big difference between this and adding something in you sig. Instead of reacting, think about if everyone posted a new thread talking about their stuff. Would this forum be helpful for people asking questions? Questions would be quickly pushed off the homepage and never found again to be answered.
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Get a Complete Website Analysis by Veign "Advertising my stuff?" What stuff? I'm not selling anything or taking clients although I quickly say I have no problem with contributors to this forum who do get such benefits as for example:
C'mon, Clark, that's unfair and you know it. By custom and convention the sig is considered appropriate for placing such links. Chris is doing nothing there that you, or Cheryl, or Tina, or anyone else does when they use the sig to point to classes, tutorials, etc.
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Chris is not the first or only one to surmise that the purpose of this thread was to draw traffic for your number tracker site. viz.
"Hey, it's your page, so you can call it whatever you want. But I can tell you right now that people going to a link described as a tutorial and finding that content instead are going to be disappointed, and possibly angered at being misled. Not exactly the best way to encourage traffic to your commercial site... "
Whether you realize it or not, it comes across as a not-too-thinly disguised shill for the graphing site. You may not have intended it that way, but nonetheless, that's the way it appears. I, Chris, Kathy, Steve, all the regulars here gladly point people to your DB tutorials when they ask questions that those tutorials would address. Look back over the thread history and you will see that is true. There's not a reason in the world why you couldn't add a banner or sidebar promotion to those pages to push the new site. They are genuine tutorials, genuinely useful, and would not leave anyone feeling conned.
cheers,
scott
- OK, here's where I apologize for writing something that has been taken the way it has.
Maybe no one will believe me, but the last thing on my mind when I posted the "New Tutorial" thing was to promote or drive traffic to my new site.
As it happens, I had taken the time to provide (and type!) a good bit of that material in response to this thread on June 11, where the OP wanted to make membership accounts:
http://social.expression.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/web/thread/83d72a93-c97b-4cfa-8a0c-7ceebfe6f10e
Then a few days later, in the following thread, I referred the OP to the first thread above:
http://social.expression.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/web/thread/83d72a93-c97b-4cfa-8a0c-7ceebfe6f10e
Then comes on June 27 this thread:
http://social.expression.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/web/thread/eb11a22e-c577-4fac-ae3d-b10898bc643a
to which I thought the same information would be helpful. But I didnt want to re-track down the first thread above to refer them to it, and I didnt want to do a similar amount of typing again, so I wrote the "tutorial" and published it expressly for the purpose of being able to simply refer to it in the last-mentioned thread above, and any future "how to you create a login site" type requests that get made.
Honest. That's exactly how and why it happened. And also somewhat responsible for my lame mistake of calling it a tutorial -- I even had that thread above opened in another window while I was doing the "tutorial", waiting until I published it so I could link to it in the thread. I didnt spend *any* time thinking about it not really being a tutorial, or that people might be misled -- just trying to get it done.
As for promoting my new site, I highly doubt that frequenters of this newsgroup are candidates for that site, being that anyone with enough computer savvy to be making websites more than likely can make their own graphs with Excel.
And I'm not trying to drive traffic to the site to enhance my position on Google (you may have noticed occasional posts by me viewing SEO techniques with a good bit of skepticism about all that traffic-driven, link-exchange mythology), because my new site already shows up on the first page of Google for search terms that *I* would use if I were trying to find such a site. And that, I guarantee, is not due to any "popularity", "traffic-driven", or "site-linking" because, well, nobody really knows the site is there yet.
My only problem there is trying to divine search terms that others would use!
OK that's it. I dont like doing all this typing and explaining, and I know all you regulars are a charitable bunch anyway and nobody is going to remember or care about this thread for long. It's just one more life experience gone by.
Besides there are other things that bother me more. Like the days are getting shorter ---
ClarkNK, QVP
HomePage Doctor CHO
HomePageDoctor.com -- Expression Web database tutorials
Ownertrades.com -- Created with FP, Access, Bots and Wizards
MyNumbersTracker.com -- Created with Expression, VWDExress, SQL Express, and ASP.NET.
